In defence of Hadith (5)

The following is my comments on the comments by “anonymous” to “In Defence of Hadith (4)”:

Anonymous said: “I hope that this will be my last comments regarding the hadiths or rather the understandings of the so-called sayings of our beloved Prophet.”

Good that this is your last comment, because you are not really reading my explanations.

The proof is your comments below.

And you are also contradicting yourself. You reject hadith as fabrications then you contradict yourself by saying “I have no problem with the hadiths which do not contradict the Kor'an.” And you even quote hadiths when they seem to proof your point. Religion of truth must be consistent, whereas your “religion” is “believe in part of the book and disbelieve in the other part.”

Anonymous said: “You mentioned that Muhammad also guides according to Kor'an 42:52. You must try to cheat by taking only half the ayat and thus mislead the people. The full ayat of 42:52 is like this: Thus we inspired to you (Muhammad) a revelation (Kor'an) proclaiming our commandments. You had no idea about the scripture or faith. Yet we make this (Kor'an) a beacon to guide whomever we choose from our servants. Surely you guide in a straight path. As you can see clearly that Allah is talking about the Kor'an and nothing else!! As for ayat 2:45 'You shall seek help through patient and salat'. There is nothing contradictory with that!! As for ayat 107:4 ' woe to those who perform salat'. You must read the continuing ayat 'who are totally heedless of their salat'. You must not take the Words of God out of contact!! This is the work of a kufur!! Be real careful. You should read the whole ayat and not try to change the meaning to your own 'iman'. You should take your iman to God and His Messenger instead of taking the Kor'an to your understanding!!”

If you read my article properly, you would have noticed I mentioned: "Contradiction? No, but many hadith you “claim” to be blatantly contradictory are similar to this situation"

And I also said:

“Of course, we can explain this because the 2nd verse is referring to those who are not sincere.”

I knew there is no contradiction!

I only wish to point out, I repeat what I said: “But why don’t you apply the same attitude with hadiths? After all, the authentic hadiths have been meticulously checked for faults in CHAIN OF NARRATION and TEXT!”

Meaning, read the hadiths with correct attitude and you will find therein many wisdoms and no contradictions, just like in the Quran!

Anonymous said: “You also mentioned that our Prophet did not speak out of his own desire (Kor'an). This is quite true according to the Kor'an. But please be informed that this ayat from surah 53:1-18 speaks about our Prophet when he went to heaven to receive the Kor'an and this verses tell us about the Kor'an. Our Prophet was not speaking out of his own desire but from Allah!! This is to tell the people that the Kor'an is from Allah through His Messenger.”

You say that because the Quran translation that you refer to says so, but in the Arabic, there is no mention of the Quran. Rather the verses speak in general. How can you restrict the meaning to only Quran, whereas it is general for anything the prophet said??

Anonymous said: “Another thing that you keep denying is that when the Kor'an says that Muhammad had no other duty but to deliver the Kor'an you said no, not true, he has other mission besides delivering the KOr'an and that is delivering the hadiths. But you find many ayats in the Kor'an when Allah Says that Muhammad's job is only to deliver the 'clear Message'--Illal bala ghul mubin.(Kor'an). Also in the Kor'an Allah Says ' do you have another book to uphold?'. There are many, many examples but you just do not want to believe!!”

I’ll devote another article for this. I’ll show you what I mean when I say you “believe in part of the book and disbelieve in the other part.” You take that verse about “only to deliver” and you disbelieve tthe likes of this verse:

“He it is Who sent among the unlettered ones a Messenger from among themselves, reciting to them His Verses, purifying them, and teaching them the Book and Al-Hikmah. And verily, they had been before in manifest error” [62:2]

Reciting is basically delivering the mesage. If you reject that the Messenger also taught them the Book AND al-Hikmah (Wisdom) and all in the form of hadith, then you are still in manifest error.

Anonymous said: “Another point I want to bring here is that you like to refer our great religion of Islam to 'sahabat' or companions of the Prophet. Please take note that not even a single name of the friends of the Prophet is mentioned in the Kor'an except the names of Abu Lahab and Zaid. The reasons that they are mentioned are that Allah want to tell something and need to mention their names according the events. There are not names like Omar, Abu Bakar, Ali etc. And for your knowledge there is only one name of a woman mentioned in the Kor'an and that is of Mariam, the mother of Isa.”

Is Quran the book of guidance or a record book that should list every name of the companions? This is the problem when you don’t refer to hadith, because you will not know the reasons or events behind certain verses! This is also proof that there is another source of knowledge and guidance, ie. hadith.

“If you help him (Muhammad SAW) not (it does not matter), for Allâh did indeed help him when the disbelievers drove him out, the second of two, when they (Muhammad SAW and Abu Bakr) were in the cave, and he (SAW) said to his companion (Abu Bakr): "Be not sad (or afraid), surely Allâh is with us." Then Allâh sent down His Sakînah (calmness, tranquillity, peace, etc.) upon him, and strengthened him with forces (angels) which you saw not, and made the word of those who disbelieved the lowermost, while it was the Word of Allâh that became the uppermost, and Allâh is All-Mighty, All-Wise.” [62:2]

We only know that the other person with the prophet was Abu Bakr from the hadith. If you say that’s in the history books, then you can read for yourself that history books also take from hadith!

That’s just one example.

Anonymous said: “Why are their names not mentioned by God?? This is simply because they are not relevant to the religion of Islam (Iman and Amal). There are events mentioned in the Kor'an regarding the contemporaries of the Prophet and they are in general. Also Allah condemns many people who stayed around the Messenger during his days in the Kor'an. Does this means that Allah hate the friends of the Prophet?”

Do you mean these verses in general are irrelevant? If Allah were to list them all down, don’t you think the Quran will lose its purpose as guidance? No doubt there are verses that rebuked some companions. But they repented thereafter, and Allah accepted their repentance. That is why Allah praised them and is pleased with them in general verses to include all companions excluding the hypocrites.

If you say the companions are no good, or even some of them are bad, then this is saying Allah and His Messenger failed, because that was the generation educated and supervised by revelation, through the Quran and al-Hikmah which has arrived to us in the form of narrations or hadith.

Anonymous said: “The reason why we Muslims today like to revere the friends of the Prophet is because human are by nature like to exalt humans into 'superman'. There were 'good' and 'bad' friends of the Prophet and this is clearly mentioned in the Kor'an.”

Bad friends??? Subhanallah… Just refer to my above comment.

The real problem is that some “people” like you think you are “superman”, better than the best of generation, those who were educated by Allah and His Messenger. So, all muslims from past to present were wrong, except you people who “discovered” later about Quran and reject hadith??? Where are your brains….??!!

Anonymous said: “The trouble with you is that you just fail to understand the Word of Allah in the Kor'an. I would like to know how many times you read the Kor'an (with understanding) in your life? and how many times you read the hadiths in your life?”

The trouble with you is you only take the verses that suit you and forget the rest. And for your info, I recite and understand (the Arabic Quran, not just translation!) everyday and I read the hadiths everyday, unless I’m really busy.